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Dave T


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I am hoping that someone can give me information on my uncles.
William James BURNS, "Jim" born @ 1915, from Millisle, Northern Ireland, attended PWSTS at Limehouse, joined the RN, served in destroyers - Hereward perhaps- and was captured at Crete, repatriated and then served in the Merchant Navy, marrying a Portuguese girl: Lena.  It is believed that he became a Master in the American Merchant Marine and transported munitions in the Vietnam War.  Sadly my elderly Mother lost contact with Jim in the early 1970s and would like to get back in touch with him if he is still alive..
William Henry BURNS, "Billy", born @ 1924. also from Millisle, survived the sinking of the Empress of Britain, but was lost on the Empire Attendant in 1942, and is one of those remembered on the Memorial Plaque at Ingham.
My Mother has no details but knows that her brothers were at PWSTS, presumably in the late 1930s - early 1940s,
Here's hoping!

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William James BURNS

I have found two entries that relate to William James (see below). It would appear that he attended PWSTS Limehouse in 1934. A complete list of The Helm's can be found at:

http://www.pwsts.org.uk/shop4.htm

Progress Reports page 13 No 41 August 1936 The Helm Magazine

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Under Training No 35 August 1934 The Helm Magazine

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When I have more time I will look for any details on William Henry. Does your mother have any photographs? Please feel free to send something that we can place on the web site so that we can remember them.


Andy Gale  info@pwsts.org.uk



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Sorry Dave, I havent been able to find any information in respect of William Henry BURNS. The Helm magazine, the publication of the PWSTS, appears to have stopped in 1939 and start again in 1944 (just two pages). I could be mistaken and it may just be a case of us not having received copies of these yet from old boys. However, due to war constraints I suspect that any unnecessary expeditor was avoided.

 

All BISS records for that period have been lost. We are told that this was due to flooding at Limehouse.

 

http://www.pwsts.org.uk/records.htm

 

dont give up searching and the best of British
(one day someone might send us the missing publication)

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Many thanks Andy for speedy responses and the ywo references you found. Much appreciated.
I'm sure I will find more info sooner or later.
Dave.

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Cargo ship Empire Attendant, 7,524grt, (MOWT, A. Weir & Co. mngrs) had loaded a cargo of military vehicles and stores and sailed from Liverpool on the 1st July 1942 in the 40 ship Freetown bound Convoy OS-33. Once the Convoy had reached Freetown, the Empire Attendant was to carry onto Durban and then Karachi. On the 15th July while straggling behind the main Convoy the ship was torpedoed by U-582 South of the Canary Islands and sank in position 23 48N 21 51W. The Captain, all 49 crew and her 9 DEMS gunners were lost.

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BARCAS, WILLIAM HENRY, Greaser, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 26. Husband of Edith E. Barcas.
BEATON, THOMAS, Third Officer, S.S. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 28. Son of Thomas Beaton, and of Margaret Beaton, of Aberdeen, Scotland.
BOWLES, GEORGE, Able Seaman, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 19. Son of William and Ethel Bowles, of Carnlough, Co. Antrim, Northern Ireland.
BRADLEY, THOMAS, Cabin Boy, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942.Age 16. Son of Thomas and Ada Bradley, of ****erton, Darlington, Co. Durham.
BROWN, JAMES, Chief Engineer, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 28. Son of John Dixon Brown and Hannah Brown; husband of Ada M. Brown, of Jarrow, Co. Durham.
BURNS, WILLIAM HENRY, Sailor, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 18. Son of William James Burns and Agnes Burns; nephew of Mrs. C. Burns, of Belfast, Northern Ireland.
CAIRNS, JAMES MALCOLM, Cook, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 20.
CARR, JOHN BENEDICT, Steward, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 20. Son of James Carr, and of Mary Ellen Carr, of Walton, Liverpool. His brother Henry Francis also fell.
CATNEY, LAWRENCE PATRICK, Ordinary Seaman, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 19. Son of Patrick and Mary Catney, of Moira, Co. Armagh, Northern Ireland.
CLARKE, WILLIAM, Able Seaman, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 25. Son of William H. and Anna J. Clarke, of Lisburn, Northem Ireland.
CRAWFORD, DANIEL, Greaser, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 27.
DALTON, JOHN, Senior Third Engineer Officer, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 25. Son of John Dalton and of Agnes Dalton, of Greenisland, Co. Antrim, Northern Ireland.
DAVIDSON, JAMES LIMOND, Third Radio Officer, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 35. Son of John and Marianne Davidson, of Stranraer, Wigtownshire.
DILWORTH, CHARLES, Greaser, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 34. Son of Joe Dilworth, and of Mary Jane Dilworth, of Halifax.
EMMERSON, ROBERT HECTOR, Donkeyman, S.S. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 33. Son of Herbert and Alice Emmerson; husband of Mary Emmerson, of Belfast, Northern Ireland.
FOSTER, JOHN HALIFAX, Second Officer, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 24. Son of Ernest and Hilda Hannah Foster, of Goole, Yorkshire.
GIBSON, PATRICK JOSEPH, Sailor, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 30. Son of William and Isabella Gibson.
GRADY, CHARLES, Assistant Steward, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 18. Son of James and Eva Grady, of Blackpool, Lancashire.
GRUNDY, THOMAS, Master, Mentioned in Despatches, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 43. Son of Walter Lewis Grundy and Katherine Alena Grundy. Formerly Midn. R.N.R., 1914-1918.
HAWKES, JOHN HAROLD, Cook, S.S. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 38. Son of Sydney and Louise Hawkes; husband of Elizabeth Joan Hawkes, of Crewe, Cheshire.
HOUSTON, FREDERICK, Greaser, S.S. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 33.
HOUSTON, THOMAS, Fifth Engineer Officer, S.S. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 20. Senr. Son of Thomas and Mary Houston, of Bangor, Co. Down, Northern Ireland.
HUXLEY, EDWARD JOSEPH, Greaser, S.S. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 21. Son of Ted and Ann Huxley.

JOHNSTONE, THOMAS, Fifth Engineer Officer, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 21. Son of Thomas and Isabella Johnstone, of Jordanstown, Co. Antrim, Northern Ireland.
KELLY, EDWARD, Able Seaman, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 29.
KENNEDY, JOHN JOSEPH, Able Seaman, S.S. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 32. Husband of Hannah Kennedy, of Holywood, Co. Down, Northern Ireland.
LAW, JOHNSTON, Sailor, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 21. Son of Hiram and Emma Law, of Belfast, Northern Ireland.
LEONARD, JAMES, Third Engineer Officer, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 20.
LINDSAY, JOHN, Greaser, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 44. Husband of Bridget Lindsay, of Belfast, Northern Ireland.

LYNCH, THOMAS, Senior Fourth Engineer Officer, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 24. Son of Patrick and Catherine Lynch.

MALCOLMSON, WILLIAM CECIL, Second Radio Officer, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 21. Son of Peter Malcolmson, Master Mariner, Merchant Navy, and Margaret Malcolmson, of Sandwick, Zetland.

MINNIS, JOHN, Storekeeper, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 58. Husband of Nancy K. Minnis, of Belfast, Northern Ireland.

McDOWELL, WILLIAM, Electrician, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 25. Son of William and Christina McDowell.

McVEIGH, HUGH, Boatswain, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 25. Son of Hugh and Jane McVeigh, of Carnlough, Co. Antrim, Northern Ireland; husband of Margaret McVeigh, of Carnlough.

PACE, SIDNEY GORDON, Greaser, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 25.

PALMER, WILLIAM BOYD, Carpenter, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 22. Son of Mr. and Mrs. F. G. Palmer, of Belfast, Northern Ireland.

PROSSER, WILLIAM JAMES ETTRICK, Chief Officer, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 29. Son of William and Mary Prosser, of Heavitree, Exeter.

QUATE, WILLIAM JAMES, Mess Room Boy, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 17. Son of George Quate, and of Mary Quate, of Belfast, Northern Ireland.

REID, HUGH, Sailor, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 24. Son of Samuel and Agnes Reid

RIDDLE, STANLEY HUNTER, Second Engineer Officer, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 37. Son of John Riddle, and of Georgina Riddle, of South Shields, Co. Durham.

RITCHIE, ROBERT WILLIAM, Fourth Engineer Officer, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 22. Son of William Clark Ritchie, and of Christina Logan Ritchie, of Belfast, Northern Ireland.

ROBINSON, HENRY, First Electrician, S.S. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 21. Son of William Hall Robinson and Sarah Robinson.

TAYLOR, DUGALD MCDOUGAL WIRRAL, Senior Second Engineer Officer, S.S. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 33.

VEEVERS, PERCY JAMES, Greaser, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 23.

WADE, WILLIAM ROBERT, Ordinary Seaman, S.S. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 18. Son of Alice Wade, of Belfast, Northern Ireland.

WARD, CHARLES WILLIAM, Donkeyman, S.S. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th January 1942. Age 53

WILSON, GEORGE JOY, First Radio Officer, S.S. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 42. Son of Alfred and Janet Wilson, of Shadwell, Yorkshire.

WINSTANLEY, THOMAS, Galley Boy, M.V. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 19. Son of Mary F. Winstanley, of Fairfield, Liverpool.

YALLOP, FREDERICK EDWARD, Chief Steward, S.S. Empire Attendant (Glasgow). Merchant Navy. 15th July 1942. Age 35. Son of Mr. and Mrs. F. E. Yallop, of Chester.




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Thank you. I hope to visit the memorial at Ingham.
I did research the Empire Attendant as was surprised to learn she had already been the first ship to be sunk, or at least badly damaged and beached, by aircraft in the Channel in 1940 when called the Domala. Understandable that she kept breaking down and fell out of the convoy to be picked off in 1942.

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