not sure if under right heading did couple of trips with houlders i know they were linked to fw was in joya mccance a tanker joined san pedro in the states paid off daker west africa, with a lot of places in between,next was sir alexander glen which was same class as ill fated derbyshire went to brazil japan western aus paid off rotterdam. some time later while in an american owned sulphur tanker the nordic texas was mates with a scouse lad who sadly was lost with the derbyshire.