Herbert Barlow Clegg (DOB 1904-5) served on this Canadian ship during ww2, would like to know more about her and I believe she did the Artic convoys. He lost three ships and at least one was mined.
The document from which I've transcribed the information in the first table gives departure date (port?) as Sept. 23-1943, arrival Clyde Oct. 4 (strangely, Page 2, listing Empire Summer through Glenfinlas, gives arrival Clyde Oct. 21, and Page 3, starting with Polish Lech, gives arrival Clyde as Oct. 6).
Arnold Hague gives departure Gibraltar as Sept. 25-1943, arrival Liverpool on Oct. 8. He gives 31 ships in the Gibraltar-U.K. convoy, and indicates that MKS 25 had started out in Alexandria on Sept. 14, w/arrival Gibraltar on the 25th (listed further down on this page).
Transcribed from 3 documents (Advance Sailing Telegram) received from Tony Cooper - His source: Public Records Office, Kew.
This first table shows the Gibraltar-U.K. convoy. As can be seen in the second table below, some of these ships had previously arrived with the Alexandria convoy.
Ship
Nationality
Cargo
Destination
Remarks
Fortol
British
furnace oil
Clyde
Escort Oiler
British Courage
"
ballast
Clyde f. o.
To MKS 26 - crossed out (note says "Not for U.K.") To MKS 27 - returned to port Listed in MKS 28
Comparing the above to a list of ships in Convoy MKS 25 received from Don Kindell, based on A. Hague's own research, I find that he has also included HMS Erebus, with a note saying "detached to Channel".
* There's a San Francisco in the Advance Sailing Telegram for Convoy MKS 26, but with a different tonnage and listed as French.
The Rescue Vessel Copeland was on her 25th voyage as such, having started this voyage from Clyde on Sept. 7-1943 with Convoy KMS 26 - to Gibraltar Sept. 18, then returned to Clyde with Convoy MKS 25, Sept. 25-Oct. 8. Her previous voyage had been with Convoy ON 192 - HX 251, and her 26th voyage was to Murmansk with Convoy JW 54A. ("Convoy Rescue Ships 1940-1945", Arnold Hague). Convoys KMS 26 and ON 192 will be added to this site in due course.
Escorts (also received from Don Kindell, whose own work, covering "Royal & other Navies Day-by-Day in World War 2" can be viewed at this website): Sept. 25-Sept. 26:Velox. Sept. 25-Oct. 1:Redpole. Sept. 25-Oct. 4:Erebus, Witch. Sept. 25-Oct. 8:Abelia, Asphodel, Clover, Highlander, Pennywort, Walker, Westcott. Sept. 27-Oct. 3:Scylla, Spartan.
-- Edited by altosaxx on Tuesday 12th of March 2013 04:08:52 PM
* A. Hague lists Narvik as Norwegian, with a tonnage of 5164 gt, but I think this must be an error as the Norwegian Narvik was not delivered until Jan-1944 (asCape River) and taken over by Nortraship on Jan. 22. There was a Swedish Narvik (4251 gt), but this ship had already been sunk in Apr.-1943. However,Convoy MKS 26 has a Polish Narwik - perhaps this is the ship listed above? Narwik started life as Empire Roamer in Jan.-1942 (the Empire Ships website that I've linked to at the end of this page has more on this ship). There was also an HMS Narvik, ex Norwegian whale catcher Gos 9, but this was much smaller.
Liberty Ships - Alphabetical list. This site has more details on the "Fort" and "Ocean" ships sailing this convoy. Empire Ships - Listed in alphabetical order. The site also has a section covering the Liberty ships.
-- Edited by altosaxx on Tuesday 12th of March 2013 04:12:50 PM
Yes, you are quite correct Alto.But I would like to add a bit more.
The original ship building programme in North America involved what we refer to as the Liberty ships.These were named as prominent Americans and if you raised a certain amount in War Bonds you got the right to provide a name. Very often, once they were transferred to the British they had a name change. The British allocated them out to British shipping companies to manage during the war.Whilst the Liberty ships did a magnificent job they were slow and cumbersome so vulnerable to submarine attack. They were also quick and cheap to build as everything about them was very basic. So far as I know only two remain as museum ships, theJerimiah OBrien in San Fransisco (which I have visited) and the John W. Brown which I believe is on the east coast of USA, possibly in Baltimore.
As Mr Clegg served in WW2 it is possible that he also served on a Liberty ship so this may be of interest to his daughter.
Following the Liberty ships were the Victory ships which were built in both the USA and Canada. These ships were bigger, sleeker and faster than the Liberty ships. Those built and operated by the USA always kept the word Victory in their name. Those operated by Canada kept the name Park and those operated by the UK had the name Fort .Once the war was over these ships were surplus to requirements and were sold off, at which time invariably their names were changed.
So far as I know the only surviving examples ofeither Victory, Park, or Fort ships are the museum ships American Victory in Tampa, Florida, Lane Victory in Los Angeles, and Red Oak Victory in Richmond California.
I have a particular interest in these ships as the 2nd Mate on the Fort Bellingham was the father of a girl I went to school with and am still in regular contact. The Bellingham was in an Arctic convoy and was subject to submarine attack but did not initially sink..but that is a whole different story related on the internet for those that are interested. Stu
The Forts and the Parks which were built by Canadian shipyards were essentially the same as the Liberties built by U.S. shipyards, being based on the same design from Thompsons and with a later variation which was slightly larger, like the U.S.'s Victories.
There were also variations in propulsion systems and the Canadian yards built more riveted hulls, but the profile was much the same. Of the 436 ships built under Government contracts, 321 were full-size freighters, 43 were smaller, built to the Gray design known as "Scandinavian" to make them more suitable for Great Lakes trading, 19 were completed as tankers, 35 were Ottawa-type coasters and 18 were Rock-class ocean tugs built to the British Warrior-class design.
Note that the names Fort and Park had no reference to the designs: the Forts were the ships transferred to the British Government and the Parks were those employed by the Canadian Government.
Liberty Ships - Alphabetical list. This site has more details on the "Fort" and "Ocean" ships sailing this convoy. Empire Ships - Listed in alphabetical order. The site also has a section covering the Liberty ships.
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Yes, Bob, the bill was finally paid in 2006. By 1941 Britain was technically broke and the German submarines were sinking ships quicker than they could be built. Churchill obviously had a word with Roosevelt. It must have gone something like this....listen my Yankee friend, we are the last man standing in Europe. If we go down, you could be next, so bloody do something about it!!!. Not so easy said Roosevelt, we have this Neutrality Act that forbids us from getting involved unless we are at risk. Leave it with me and I'll see what we can do. Anyway, our cousins across the ditch came up with the Lend Lease Act which circumvented the Neutrality Act. In a nutshell, goods, like ships, aircraft, ammunitions, food, trucks , tanks and all sorts of war material could be shipped to Britain, China, and later to Russia but paid for at the end of hostilities but where practical they were to be returned to the USA. As you can imagine this ran up a bill of many billions of dollars, but our Yankee friends discounted this by about 90% and spread the repayment over about 50 years at 2% interest, with a few years at the beginning to get our affairs in order. The surviving Liberty (Sam Boats), Victories, and Forts were returned and many were sold to the Greeks and Italians although a few went to British owners, I think Cunard had a few. Many joined the US Stategic Reserve and rows and rows of them were moored in available creeks around New York, Baltimore, Philidelphia and Boston, and they were still there in 1956/57 when I worked the US East Coast in the MV Port Quebec.
i am sure there will be PWSTS old hands who worked on the Liberty ships which were known by the Brits as Sam Boats, and of course, the Forts, and T2 tankers. It would be interesting to hear of their experiences. Stu
With regard to convoy MKS35, my father was sailing on the ss Benrinnes at that time.
I remember him saying that, shortly after leaving Gibraltar the convoy was divided into fast and slow vessels, with the Glen Finlas as commodore of the faster group.